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Contrary to a recent headline from the New York Times, some Americans quite enjoyed the recent draw between New Zealand and the British and Irish Lions. Ethan and I discuss that in the latest episode of The Carter Divide.

The episode is available on iTunes, Stitcher, and here.

We also talk about the USA Eagles qualifying for the 2019 World Cup, and how much more fun it is to watch when they win. I also brought up my new thoughts on measuring scrum effectiveness, and push Ethan a bit to see how confident he is of the future commercial success of rugby in America.